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coffeebean
註冊時間: 2008-01-14
文章: 32
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 發表於: 星期二 一月 15, 2008 11:51 am 文章主題: ????? |
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???, ????basket???, ??????, ???????, ???????????basket?? ???????????? ??????????, ?????????basket?????
????, ??????basket????????size, ????"?"?, ??????, ???????? ???????
???, ?tamper?????, ??????, ??????, ???get??, ????????????
?????, ????????? ?????4?, ????2??
???4?espresso?????~Thanks?~!!! |
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bib
註冊時間: 2007-04-21
文章: 786
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| 發表於: 星期二 一月 15, 2008 1:33 pm 文章主題: Re: ????? |
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| coffeebean 寫到: | ???, ????basket???, ??????, ???????, ???????????basket?? ???????????? ??????????, ?????????basket?????????, ??????basket????????size, ????"?"?, ??????, ???????? ??????????, ?tamper?????, ??????, ??????, ???get??, ????????????
?????, ????????? ?????4?, ????2??
???4?espresso?????~Thanks?~!!! |
Hello, I try to help to solve some of your concern, hope can help:
| coffeebean 寫到: | | ????basket???, ??????, ???????, ???????????basket?? ???????????? ??????????, ?????????basket????? |
Yes, the basket must be fully filled. How many grams ? depends on which machine you use... And there should be 2 baskets: one single and one double come with the machine originally when you bought it.
| coffeebean 寫到: | | ????, ??????basket????????size, ????"?"?, ??????, ???????? ??????? |
- We talk about Krups 4020 espresso machine with this problem, which machine you use ? Some 4020 with the problem, some don't.
Please read through the review which with pictures.
| coffeebean 寫到: | | ???, ?tamper?????, ??????, ??????, ???get??, ???????????? |
Normally, officially 30-45 pounds to tamp - use a bathroom scale to weight your pressure if you want to follow the official rules.
With a good grinder, you can choice NOT to tamp.
| coffeebean 寫到: | | ?????, ????????? ?????4?, ????2?????4?espresso?????~Thanks?~!!! |
For me, keep it clean is the most important thing.
Use best filter you can have: I just read some Taiwan expert say: No distilled or R.O. water, exchange ionic and carbon filter are recommended.
I also use a Brita jug after the filters, try to have best quality water and save the service fees in the future.
**Using good filtered water, make the descaling-needed period longer.
If the machine annoy you, then you may think about to buy another machine instead. Do you think the scale cause your machine out of order before ??
Thank you.
Hope can help..
bib 在 星期二 一月 15, 2008 2:31 pm 作了第 1 次修改 |
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neohk
註冊時間: 2006-09-03
文章: 1095
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| 發表於: 星期二 一月 15, 2008 2:26 pm 文章主題: Re: ????? |
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| coffeebean 寫到: | ???, ????basket???, ??????, ???????, ???????????basket?? ???????????? ??????????, ?????????basket?????
????, ??????basket????????size, ????"?"?, ??????, ???????? ???????
???, ?tamper?????, ??????, ??????, ???get??, ????????????
?????, ????????? ?????4?, ????2??
???4?espresso?????~Thanks?~!!! |
tamp lee?????, ?????d ?????????.
????1. ?? 2.??????, ?side channeling
?????????????,??????????.??????tamp, ???control??????. ????d???????.
????? ?????group head, ?3-way?backflush, hx???????descale.
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coffeebean
註冊時間: 2008-01-14
文章: 32
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| 發表於: 星期二 一月 15, 2008 2:32 pm 文章主題: Re: ????? |
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| bib 寫到: | | coffeebean 寫到: | ???, ????basket???, ??????, ???????, ???????????basket?? ???????????? ??????????, ?????????basket?????????, ??????basket????????size, ????"?"?, ??????, ???????? ??????????, ?tamper?????, ??????, ??????, ???get??, ????????????
?????, ????????? ?????4?, ????2??
???4?espresso?????~Thanks?~!!! |
Hello, I try to help to solve some of your concern, hope can help:
| coffeebean 寫到: | | ????basket???, ??????, ???????, ???????????basket?? ???????????? ??????????, ?????????basket????? |
Yes, the basket must be fully filled. How many grams ? depends on which machine you use... And there should be 2 baskets: one single and one double come with the machine originally when you bought it.
| coffeebean 寫到: | | ????, ??????basket????????size, ????"?"?, ??????, ???????? ??????? |
- We talk about Krups 4020 espresso machine with this problem, which machine you use ? Some 4020 with the problem, some don't.
Please read through the review which with pictures.
| coffeebean 寫到: | | ???, ?tamper?????, ??????, ??????, ???get??, ???????????? |
Normally, officially 30-45 pounds to tamp - use a bathroom scale to weight your pressure if you want to follow the official rules. With good grinder, you can choice NOT to tamp.
| coffeebean 寫到: | | ?????, ????????? ?????4?, ????2?????4?espresso?????~Thanks?~!!! |
If the machine annoy you, then you may think about to buy another machine instead.
Thank you |
Thanks?~~?????????!
???kenwood?, ??????, ???D?????, ?????????, ??????2??, ??????basket, ???????, ??????, ???????????D?? kenwood??????D??! |
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Arup
註冊時間: 2007-12-29
文章: 30
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| 發表於: 星期二 一月 15, 2008 2:37 pm 文章主題: ???? Krups4020, |
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???? Krups4020, ????? 
???? forum ????? |
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pillowpaky
註冊時間: 2007-11-24
文章: 696
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bib
註冊時間: 2007-04-21
文章: 786
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| 發表於: 星期二 一月 15, 2008 2:58 pm 文章主題: Re: ????? |
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| coffeebean 寫到: | | ???kenwood?, ??????, ???D?????, ?????????, ??????2??, ??????basket, ???????, ??????, ???????????D?? kenwood??????D??! |
Find the Kenwood Hong Kong agent / service center to ask.
If you don't mind please list your machine's photo and let me know the model, I try to search it for you if there is no smaller basket in H.K....try .
If there is frothing function and you drink latte, then use the double for latte.
Or you drink espresso only ??
about 22-28Sec to have total 60cc / ml espresso ?? is it what you are doing ??
Sorry just ?? to suggest you to have a better grinder which you can adjust the extraction flow and have better quality of espresso:
http://freshcoffeentea.no-ip.info/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=383
Change/upgrade others later, 2 years may be good enough for a Kenwood machine ? or bring it to your office for more casual use ?
Get a 4020 machine and 600N grinder for relax enjoyment at home ?
If there is no single Kenwood basket or you don't want to spend more.
Just pick the ?? or ?? espresso - also a good solution...should be the best part of it.
Hope can help and please forgive my ??.
Thank you |
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bc_xjl
註冊時間: 2007-12-26
文章: 42
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| 發表於: 星期二 一月 15, 2008 3:00 pm 文章主題: Re: ????? |
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| coffeebean 寫到: | | bib 寫到: | | coffeebean 寫到: | ???, ????basket???, ??????, ???????, ???????????basket?? ???????????? ??????????, ?????????basket?????????, ??????basket????????size, ????"?"?, ??????, ???????? ??????????, ?tamper?????, ??????, ??????, ???get??, ????????????
?????, ????????? ?????4?, ????2??
???4?espresso?????~Thanks?~!!! |
Hello, I try to help to solve some of your concern, hope can help:
| coffeebean 寫到: | | ????basket???, ??????, ???????, ???????????basket?? ???????????? ??????????, ?????????basket????? |
Yes, the basket must be fully filled. How many grams ? depends on which machine you use... And there should be 2 baskets: one single and one double come with the machine originally when you bought it.
| coffeebean 寫到: | | ????, ??????basket????????size, ????"?"?, ??????, ???????? ??????? |
- We talk about Krups 4020 espresso machine with this problem, which machine you use ? Some 4020 with the problem, some don't.
Please read through the review which with pictures.
| coffeebean 寫到: | | ???, ?tamper?????, ??????, ??????, ???get??, ???????????? |
Normally, officially 30-45 pounds to tamp - use a bathroom scale to weight your pressure if you want to follow the official rules. With good grinder, you can choice NOT to tamp.
| coffeebean 寫到: | | ?????, ????????? ?????4?, ????2?????4?espresso?????~Thanks?~!!! |
If the machine annoy you, then you may think about to buy another machine instead.
Thank you |
Thanks?~~?????????!
???kenwood?, ??????, ???D?????, ?????????, ??????2??, ??????basket, ???????, ??????, ???????????D?? kenwood??????D??! |
Oh......I think it won't save that much since 1 shoot you will also have to do with 70% of your double shoot......not really directly proprtional..........if you really brew a good shot. Brewing not perfect shot is rather a waste to your coffee. 
P.S. I'm also a green hand even after I got my espresso machine after 2-3 years 
I think good coffee beans with commonplace or average machine will also brew an acceptable espresso......expensive machine just for fun only.. |
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coffeebean
註冊時間: 2008-01-14
文章: 32
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| 發表於: 星期二 一月 15, 2008 3:32 pm 文章主題: Re: ????? |
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| bib 寫到: | Find the Kenwood Hong Kong agent / service center to ask.
If you don't mind please list your machine's photo and let me know the model, I try to search it for you if there is no smaller basket in H.K....try .
If there is frothing function and you drink latte, then use the double for latte.
Or you drink espresso only ??
about 22-28Sec to have total 60cc / ml espresso ?? is it what you are doing ??
Sorry just ?? to suggest you to have a better grinder which you can adjust the extraction flow and have better quality of espresso:
http://freshcoffeentea.no-ip.info/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=383
Change/upgrade others later, 2 years may be good enough for a Kenwood machine ? or bring it to your office for more casual use ?
Get a 4020 machine and 600N grinder for relax enjoyment at home ?
If there is no single Kenwood basket or you don't want to spend more.
Just pick the ?? or ?? espresso - also a good solution...should be the best part of it.
Hope can help and please forgive my ??.
Thank you |
????????, ???ES621, sorry????????, ???????:
http://www.exportappliances.com/showprod.asp?catid=192
????????4020 and 600N, ????????, ??????, ???????????, ?????, ?????
??????"?? or ?? espresso"? ???????????15sec????
????????basket???g, ?????2?, ?????basket??50ml, ????????, ???????, ??????? |
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bib
註冊時間: 2007-04-21
文章: 786
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| 發表於: 星期二 一月 15, 2008 3:46 pm 文章主題: Re: ????? |
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| bc_xjl 寫到: |
Oh......I think it won't save that much since 1 shoot you will also have to do with 70% of your double shoot......not really directly proprtional..........if you really brew a good shot. Brewing not perfect shot is rather a waste to your coffee.
P.S. I'm also a green hand even after I got my espresso machine after 2-3 years
I think good coffee beans with commonplace or average machine will also brew an acceptable espresso......expensive machine just for fun only.. |
em, depends, I agree some situations we have,
Some of us cannot find a better or same nice shot outside.
But I like hand operate piston lever / spring lever espresso machines than any pump machines to have my excellent shot.
I have tried it for months; test and test.
Since I like crema very very much, so very very old machine-NOT my shot but I tried to make something like this :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLvTbfHRrp8 |
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bib
註冊時間: 2007-04-21
文章: 786
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| 發表於: 星期二 一月 15, 2008 5:33 pm 文章主題: Re: ????? |
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| coffeebean 寫到: | | ??????"?? or ?? espresso"? ???????????15sec????????????basket???g, ?????2?, ?????basket??50ml, ????????, ???????, ??????? |
?? or ??=???????D Espresso or ?????????????D Espresso ??? 15 sec or how many seconds.
I personally depends on the color of the espresso I extracted to stop.
Just ??basket is not enough, we need to weight how much coffee we dose inside. Officially 13-15g gets 50-65 cc espresso within 22-28sec for a double basket - Italian official standard. Of course, some cases depend on the machines.
YOU ?????2?, ?????basket??50ml - how many seconds you did the extraction ?? AND
???????? - again, how many seconds you did the extraction ??
Or your machine has been set the volume of water to be extracted.
You may need a tamper now, but make sure to get a right size.
May be watch this for reference:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8LpAKa_ckI
But ????, ???????, ???????:
Drink more to practice or drink other kind of coffee - e.g. drip or filter.
Thanks |
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coffeebean
註冊時間: 2008-01-14
文章: 32
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| 發表於: 星期三 一月 16, 2008 5:55 am 文章主題: Re: ????? |
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| bib 寫到: | ?? or ??=???????D Espresso or ?????????????D Espresso ??? 15 sec or how many seconds.
I personally depends on the color of the espresso I extracted to stop.
Just ??basket is not enough, we need to weight how much coffee we dose inside. Officially 13-15g gets 50-65 cc espresso within 22-28sec for a double basket - Italian official standard. Of course, some cases depend on the machines.
YOU ?????2?, ?????basket??50ml - how many seconds you did the extraction ?? AND
???????? - again, how many seconds you did the extraction ??
Or your machine has been set the volume of water to be extracted.
You may need a tamper now, but make sure to get a right size.
May be watch this for reference:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8LpAKa_ckI
But ????, ???????, ???????:
Drink more to practice or drink other kind of coffee - e.g. drip or filter.
Thanks |
???????, ??50ml???, ??????, ?D??????, ??????????, ???D???basket?????g??
????????, ?????, ??????? ???????? |
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sionchan
註冊時間: 2007-12-29
文章: 106
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| 發表於: 星期三 一月 16, 2008 6:09 am 文章主題: Re: ????? |
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| coffeebean 寫到: |
???????, ??50ml???, ??????, ?D??????, ??????????, ???D???basket?????g??
????????, ?????, ??????? ???????? |
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nelf
註冊時間: 2006-11-21
文章: 318
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| 發表於: 星期三 一月 16, 2008 7:33 am 文章主題: Re: ????? |
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[quote="coffeebean"] | bib 寫到: |
????????basket???g, ?????2?, ?????basket??50ml, ????????, ???????, ??????? |
don't worry... just drink more.. you be fine... 
I heard that some of the kenwood's machine are identical to the krups.. maybe you can bring your portafilter to landy's shop and see if the krups 4020's baskets would fit or not..
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bib
註冊時間: 2007-04-21
文章: 786
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| 發表於: 星期五 一月 18, 2008 4:41 pm 文章主題: Re: ????? |
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| coffeebean 寫到: | | ???????, ??50ml???, ??????, ?D??????, ??????????, ???D???basket?????g??????????, ?????, ??????? ???????? |
The diagram shown the strongest part starts from 1st drop.
Last part ?? is the sour and lightest part.
Make more and drink more - I agree. |
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