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james007
註冊時間: 2008-02-23 文章: 53
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發表於: 星期六 二月 23, 2008 2:52 pm 文章主題: ISOMAC TEA II question |
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I am a new comer. Hi all there.
is anyone use/try ISOMAC TEA before? is it good?
I want use in a small cafe. is it ok? |
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shing Site Admin

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發表於: 星期六 二月 23, 2008 2:56 pm 文章主題: |
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it is a very good machine.
a friend of mind, designer, he can tell you all about the question of isomac.
you can ask paul about this machine, he is from just java, he is a nice guy. |
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james007
註冊時間: 2008-02-23 文章: 53
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發表於: 星期六 二月 23, 2008 4:00 pm 文章主題: |
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Thx!
I saw some review from coffee greek too.
It most a positive review but need add water many times.
I wonder this machine can still ok after pull many shot because it got a small boiler(1.4L) only.
how about compare with Rancilio S1 tank version and La Spaziale S1?
for sure, they are more expensive.
P.S. I think I will try to go to Paul on Mon ^^ |
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shing Site Admin

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發表於: 星期六 二月 23, 2008 5:00 pm 文章主題: |
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cant compare Rancilio S1 tank vs La Spaziale S1 vivaldi, rancilio s1 is heat exchange machine, spaziale s1 is double boiler.
1. temperature. spaziale s1 computer control, rancilio s1 pressure control, so spaziale s1 is very very stable.
2. pressure. rancilio s1 tank version is vibrate pump, use o ring for over pressure valve, spaziale s1 is rotarty pump.
after modified rancilio s1 tank, temperature very stable, even no syphon system, very surprise because s1 tank is vibrate pump, rancilio epoca s1 and e1 both are rotarty pump, but vibrate pump taste better than s1 without tank and e1. |
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Designer
註冊時間: 2006-09-09 文章: 205 來自: HK
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發表於: 星期六 二月 23, 2008 8:09 pm 文章主題: |
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Most Isomac machines are the same internally. Cooling flush (draw the too hot water out) is always needed for obtaining good brewing temperature prior to making shots. This consumes much more water than other dual boilers machines especially if the boiler pressure is set high. Plumb-in modification is needed for commercial use.
Pulling some continuing shots w/. this machine should not be a problem but you may need to refill the water tank frequently. |
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james007
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bib
註冊時間: 2007-04-21 文章: 786
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發表於: 星期日 二月 24, 2008 6:10 am 文章主題: |
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james007 寫到: | I am a new comer. Hi all there.
is anyone use/try ISOMAC TEA before? is it good?
I want use in a small cafe. is it ok? |
shing 寫到: | it is a very good machine.
a friend of mind, designer, he can tell you all about the question of isomac.
you can ask paul about this machine, he is from just java, he is a nice guy. |
Yes, within this budget,
this is the best choice to have best service from Paul Pratt.
Others, not as good as Paul's service and professional.
Hope can help.
Yes, it is a auto fill system like our flush in wash room
I think Paul can help you, no need to worry.
Just tell him what you want and need.
It cost about HKD$900-, I am not sure, please ask Paul for further information.
Thanks |
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kckc

註冊時間: 2006-03-15 文章: 1918
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發表於: 星期日 二月 24, 2008 11:17 am 文章主題: |
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james007 寫到: | Thx!
I saw some review from coffee greek too.
It most a positive review but need add water many times.
I wonder this machine can still ok after pull many shot because it got a small boiler(1.4L) only.
how about compare with Rancilio S1 tank version and La Spaziale S1?
for sure, they are more expensive.
P.S. I think I will try to go to Paul on Mon ^^ |
Hi james,
You mentioned you are going to open a small cafe, if I were you I would choose Rancilio S1 because
1. the internal system of S1 requires less energy,
2. less electronic component than S1 which is likely prone to failure when under heavy use and
3. more rigid construction.
Ranciliio is not as good as La Spaziale in some aspects, eg.
1. La brand has a rotary pump but R brand does not.(rotary pump gives more stable pressure, and more durable)
2. La brand has a dual boiler but R brand only has a heat exchanger. (heat exchanger use less energy, but dual boiler system will give better results)
Why don't you consider the Rancilio S1 rotary which has the same internal as S1 tank but equipped with a rotary pump?  _________________ Eureka Mignon Hahaha |
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james007
註冊時間: 2008-02-23 文章: 53
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發表於: 星期日 二月 24, 2008 1:42 pm 文章主題: |
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FIRST, thanks for many people give me suggestions, but I still thinking of:
ISOMAC TEA vs Rancilio S1
1. TEA cheaper $12000 and S1 need $20000
I can save extra $8000 for buy Mazzer Super Jolly + water filter + some accessories (from money point of view)
2. shipping problem: TEA is lighter aroung 21KG but S1 around 39KG
I need to ship back to China because I am going to open a cafe in China.
I think I can pick up "Tea" by myself but not S1.
3. I plan upgrade to two group when I earn extra $30000-40000 and take one group machine for outdoor small cafe. I don't want spend money at this time.
But I really concern about the quality, is S1 better than TEA base on the taste? I try slivia b4 and the quality is great. I think S1 is great too.
and what the different between the rotary pump vs vibe pump?
and La is 53mm portafilter, is make any different between 53mm vs 58mm?
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kckc

註冊時間: 2006-03-15 文章: 1918
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發表於: 星期一 二月 25, 2008 12:17 pm 文章主題: |
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james007 寫到: | FIRST, thanks for many people give me suggestions, but I still thinking of:
ISOMAC TEA vs Rancilio S1
1. TEA cheaper $12000 and S1 need $20000
I can save extra $8000 for buy Mazzer Super Jolly + water filter + some accessories (from money point of view)
2. shipping problem: TEA is lighter aroung 21KG but S1 around 39KG
I need to ship back to China because I am going to open a cafe in China.
I think I can pick up "Tea" by myself but not S1.
3. I plan upgrade to two group when I earn extra $30000-40000 and take one group machine for outdoor small cafe. I don't want spend money at this time.
But I really concern about the quality, is S1 better than TEA base on the taste? I try slivia b4 and the quality is great. I think S1 is great too.
and what the different between the rotary pump vs vibe pump?
and La is 53mm portafilter, is make any different between 53mm vs 58mm?
???????  |
Hi,
Yes, leaving a budget for a good grinder is very good since it determines the quality of the espresso.
IMHO, you should consider the Nuova Simonelli Oscar also if you consider Tea. The Oscar offers a bigger boiler than Tea and cost you less (only $8000), however it has a plastic feel.
53mm portafilter is different from 58mm, however both a capable of producing good espressos! _________________ Eureka Mignon Hahaha |
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james007
註冊時間: 2008-02-23 文章: 53
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發表於: 星期二 二月 26, 2008 3:52 am 文章主題: |
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Paul not sell ISOMAC TEA anymore.
I talk with his stuff also a very nice guys too.
I think I better buy in China because of the after-sales service porblem.
I plan to buy La spaziale seem double boiler more easlier to manage.
how about grinder? in China they got ?/???only
I want buy Mazzer Super Jolly x 1 or Rancilio Rocky x 2
like Cafe Vergnano 1882, they use one for espresso beans and one for Cappuccino Beans.
is grinder not easy to break down and no need to consider the after-sales problem? |
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bib
註冊時間: 2007-04-21 文章: 786
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發表於: 星期二 二月 26, 2008 7:11 am 文章主題: |
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james007 寫到: | I plan to buy La spaziale seem double boiler more easlier to manage. |
Good Choice, pump version is a better choice.
**Warmly suggestion:
Use good filter system for the machine saves more money for the repairing in the future.
Example: 1 or 2 pcs 1 Micron pre fil which is CHEAP for monthly change as Protect -> +
1pc 0.5 Micron filter *more expensive+ 1pc exchange ion for softening +
1pc Everpure MC filter special designed for coffee machine use *Quite expensive, may be for yearly change.
***Commercial machine with no chance to descale I think, so, good filter system is very important.
I am a MAD man, do not mind millions of good filter, but no R.O. system for espresso machine.
james007 寫到: | how about grinder? in China they got ?/???only |
In Beijing and ????, there should has Mazzer SJ dealer.
Macap grinder available in Shanghai.
james007 寫到: | I want buy Mazzer Super Jolly x 1 or Rancilio Rocky x 2 |
Mazzer Super Jolly for stable and commercial use. or Add one more R_R if needed.
james007 寫到: | like Cafe Vergnano 1882, they use one for espresso beans and one for Cappuccino Beans. |
One is fine enough if you have a good blend.
C.V.1882 use canned pack beans - no comment; since you seems want to provide good shots to your customers.
There is one of the Best cafes in Hong Kong use only ONE blend for all.
They have 2 grinders, one for drinks they make, one for take away beans.
james007 寫到: | is grinder not easy to break down and no need to consider the after-sales problem? |
Basically YES, if use properly with appropriate cleanup and learn how to change the burr when it gets old.
Any good roaster near your shop ?
Hope can help. |
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james007
註冊時間: 2008-02-23 文章: 53
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發表於: 星期二 二月 26, 2008 1:07 pm 文章主題: |
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what is CHinese on Everpure MC filter? I havn't heard this b4.
no roaster like "fresh" in my area. got one supplier they have own Mill. ship to my area once for two week.
already the best in my area base on the fresh standard.
I talk with some Chinese Barista and they said ok too.
but the problem is they start to become the biggest supplier in my area,
I worried all cafe become the same taste later on. ha ha
maybe try to start learn roast coffee bean by myself.  |
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bib
註冊時間: 2007-04-21 文章: 786
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發表於: 星期二 二月 26, 2008 1:47 pm 文章主題: |
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james007 寫到: | what is CHinese on Everpure MC filter? I havn't heard this b4. |
Sorry James, EverPure is a brand, MC is the filter model.
I made mistake, MH, not MC.
Please see:
http://www.everpurewater.com.hk/product.php?cat_id=33
james007 寫到: | no roaster like "fresh" in my area. got one supplier they have own Mill. ship to my area once for two week. |
It sounds not bad in China at this moment.
james007 寫到: | already the best in my area base on the fresh standard. I talk with some Chinese Barista and they said ok too. |
Sounds good to you.
james007 寫到: | but the problem is they start to become the biggest supplier in my area, I worried all cafe become the same taste later on. ha ha | But you may make better cups than them.
james007 寫到: | maybe try to start learn roast coffee bean by myself.  |
It depends on what you want.
How much you like the blend there you tasted?
1-10 mark? You sounds not going to sell beans at this moment.
But beans are much more important than machine
Hottop 250g per roast may suit your need, Mini 500 is great !!
Home roast cafe, so good. |
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kckc

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發表於: 星期三 二月 27, 2008 10:49 am 文章主題: |
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james007 寫到: | Paul not sell ISOMAC TEA anymore.
I talk with his stuff also a very nice guys too.
I think I better buy in China because of the after-sales service porblem.
I plan to buy La spaziale seem double boiler more easlier to manage.
how about grinder? in China they got ?/???only
I want buy Mazzer Super Jolly x 1 or Rancilio Rocky x 2
like Cafe Vergnano 1882, they use one for espresso beans and one for Cappuccino Beans.
is grinder not easy to break down and no need to consider the after-sales problem? |
IMHO the la spaziale is more easier to manage and adjust, but when break down it would be a mess, the wires.. as i know, are packed tightly together, and the build quality isn't so good.
How about Rancilio S1?
Please don't mind my opinion
For the grinder, I think two super jollys are better than 1 SJ, 2 Rockys.
First, two grinder is quite enough, they are steady things and will hardly break down. Second, if one of your grinder is broken down you can use your espresso grinder for cappuccino also, or conversely. Third, the grinding quality of rocky is not as the quality of SJ... quite far from SJ... as i know. _________________ Eureka Mignon Hahaha |
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