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alexfan



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發表發表於: 星期一 四月 20, 2009 12:25 am    文章主題: Two bad examples 引言回覆

1. Example 1
- 19.4 gram
- Double basket
- Brewing temp 92-91C
- 20 sec
- 30cc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shOXo2wgV1Y



2. Example 2
- same grinder setting as 1
- 18.5 gram
- Double basket
- Brewing temp 96-95C
- 27 sec
- 30cc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isqeIwhzpeE
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example 1, channeling ??.
?????, ???, ?19g?, ???example 1?, ????tamp ???, tamp ????ok.

???, ?????2~3mm, ?16g ?, ??tamp, ?????.
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I will use 17gram test again
And I think may be it is too grosso
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發表發表於: 星期一 四月 20, 2009 3:36 pm    文章主題: Re: Two bad examples 引言回覆

alexfan 寫到:
1. Example 1
- 19.4 gram
- Double basket
- Brewing temp 92-91C
- 20 sec
- 30cc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shOXo2wgV1Y



2. Example 2
- same grinder setting as 1
- 18.5 gram
- Double basket
- Brewing temp 96-95C
- 27 sec
- 30cc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isqeIwhzpeE

Under normal situations, the more coffee you use, the longer the time it takes for the extraction. The 2 examples above illustrates well a contradiction in timing, as the less coffee it took, the more the the extraction took place. That's due to channeling, which makes timing useless as a reference.

I would try to use a smaller coffee weight first, e.g. 16-17 g to see a more even extraction. And if the extraction can be more even, then increase the coffee dosage incrementatlly by roughly 0.5 g.

A constant tamping pressure would be important for the test comparisons.
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shing 寫到:
example 1, channeling ??.
?????, ???, ?19g?, ???example 1?, ????tamp ???, tamp ????ok.

???, ?????2~3mm, ?16g ?, ??tamp, ?????.



Example 3 -
Similar grinder setting as 1 & 2
heavy tamp
19gram
94-95 Deg
40sec for 30cc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEKp_Ov2Mpc


Example 4 - (I make a mistake on weight)
grinder setting is 2mm finer than example 3
NO tamp
19gram
94-95 Deg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wacu9qaikxQ
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pillowpaky 寫到:
I will use 17gram test again
And I think may be it is too grosso


Thx for suggestion, this is what I am thinking too. It is rush and difficult to test run during the weekdays morning.
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LittleCup 寫到:
alexfan 寫到:
1. Example 1
- 19.4 gram
- Double basket
- Brewing temp 92-91C
- 20 sec
- 30cc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shOXo2wgV1Y



2. Example 2
- same grinder setting as 1
- 18.5 gram
- Double basket
- Brewing temp 96-95C
- 27 sec
- 30cc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isqeIwhzpeE

Under normal situations, the more coffee you use, the longer the time it takes for the extraction. The 2 examples above illustrates well a contradiction in timing, as the less coffee it took, the more the the extraction took place. That's due to channeling, which makes timing useless as a reference.

I would try to use a smaller coffee weight first, e.g. 16-17 g to see a more even extraction. And if the extraction can be more even, then increase the coffee dosage incrementatlly by roughly 0.5 g.

A constant tamping pressure would be important for the test comparisons.


LittleCup, thx for your insight, I will do more experiments during weekend. Perhaps I need to get some more consistent tamping tool to speed up my learning.
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alexfan 寫到:
shing 寫到:
example 1, channeling ??.
?????, ???, ?19g?, ???example 1?, ????tamp ???, tamp ????ok.

???, ?????2~3mm, ?16g ?, ??tamp, ?????.



Example 3 -
Similar grinder setting as 1 & 2
heavy tamp
19gram
94-95 Deg
40sec for 30cc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEKp_Ov2Mpc


Example 4 - (I make a mistake on weight)
grinder setting is 2mm finer than example 3
NO tamp
19gram
94-95 Deg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wacu9qaikxQ


ground level same as example 4.
19.5 gram
light tamping.
try 1 try.
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shing 寫到:
alexfan 寫到:
shing 寫到:
example 1, channeling ??.
?????, ???, ?19g?, ???example 1?, ????tamp ???, tamp ????ok.

???, ?????2~3mm, ?16g ?, ??tamp, ?????.



Example 3 -
Similar grinder setting as 1 & 2
heavy tamp
19gram
94-95 Deg
40sec for 30cc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEKp_Ov2Mpc


Example 4 - (I make a mistake on weight)
grinder setting is 2mm finer than example 3
NO tamp
19gram
94-95 Deg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wacu9qaikxQ


ground level same as example 4.
19.5 gram
light tamping.
try 1 try.


example 4
I feel it is too fine


Try to take the video when you put the grounded coffee into the basket
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Example 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKp8yUoHEGU
18gram
95C
30cc
50sec


Example 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJMNjSBKyNk
18gram
93C
30cc
34sec
grinder setting is 3 turns coarse than example 5

Example 7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE9gYJTTLew
16gram
95C
30cc
27sec
same grinder setting with example 6
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grinder setting coarse 1 turn than example 7.
19.5 ~ 20 grams.
dont flush before brewing.
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shing 寫到:
grinder setting coarse 1 turn than example 7.
19.5 ~ 20 grams.
dont flush before brewing.


Here it is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXpctKidL7k

19.5 gram
36 sec
30cc
96C
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alexfan 寫到:
shing 寫到:
grinder setting coarse 1 turn than example 7.
19.5 ~ 20 grams.
dont flush before brewing.


Here it is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXpctKidL7k

19.5 gram
36 sec
30cc
96C


use this setting
18.5 gram
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pillowpaky 寫到:
alexfan 寫到:
shing 寫到:
grinder setting coarse 1 turn than example 7.
19.5 ~ 20 grams.
dont flush before brewing.


Here it is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXpctKidL7k

19.5 gram
36 sec
30cc
96C


use this setting
18.5 gram


no problem

Example 9
18.5gram
95C
32sec
30cc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xTrNW19Mc4


Example 10
17.8gram
95C
32sec
30cc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL0f9WzSbi8


Example 11
19gram
94C
36sec
30cc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlWXwM1dKkk
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alexfan 寫到:
shing 寫到:
grinder setting coarse 1 turn than example 7.
19.5 ~ 20 grams.
dont flush before brewing.


Here it is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXpctKidL7k

19.5 gram
36 sec
30cc
96C


????????????温?????????????????tamping???Post ???????Shing??Pillowpaky?????????????????


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